Lei Frame Data

Information listed here is taken from Ina Tekken Wiki and converted to US notation. Thank you to all who helped compiled this!

Notes Convention

JG = Juggle SNA = Art of Snake
KND = Knockdown DRG = Art of Dragon
SLD = Slide PAN = Art of Panther
FCD = Facedown TGR = Art of Tiger
PLD = Playdead CRA = Art of Crane
BT = Backturned DRU = Drunken Master
RC = Recover Crouching PHX = Phoenix Illusion
OB = Opponent Backturned FS = Fall Stun
OC = Opponent Recover Crouching STUN = Stun (launchable)
OS = Opponent Turned to Side

Standing

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
1 h 5 8 +1 +7 +7
2 h 12 10 +1 +7 +7
3 h 28 14 -14 -4 -2
4 h 16 11 -4 +5 JG

Advancing

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
f+1 h 6 10 1 +7 +7
f+2 h 12 12 1 +7 +7
f+3 h 30 14 -14 +5 -3
F~4 h 17 11(13~) -4 +5 JG
f+4 h 30 20 -4 KND FS

Dashing

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
f,f+1 h 6 10(11~) +1 +7 +7
f,f+2 h 18 18(19~) -10 OC JG JG
f,f+3 m 20 16(17~) -15 JG JG
f,f+4 h 21 16(17~) -11 -1 OS -1 OS

Poking

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
d/f+1 m 10 13 +1 +5 +5
d/f+2 m 12 14~15 -7 JG (+5) JG
d/f+3 m 18 18 -14 -3 -3
d/f+4 m 15 12 -4 +7 +7

Standing to Crouch

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
d/b+1 or d+1 Sm 5 10 -5 RC +6 RC +6 RC
d/b+2 or d+2 Sm 8 11 -4 RC +7 RC +7 RC
d/b+3 L 15 16 -14 -3 -3
d+3 l 15 16 -17 -3 -3
d/b+4 L 7(10) 20 -25 -4 (JG) JG
d+4 l 10 12 -11 -12 ±0

While Crouching

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
FC+1 Sm 5 10 -5 RC +7 RC +7 RC
FC,d/b+2 or FC,d+2 Sm 8 11 -4 RC +7 RC +7 RC
FC,d/b+3 or FC,d+3 L 12 15 -18 RC -4 RC -4 RC
FC,d/f+3 L 12 16 -17 RC -3 RC -3 RC
FC,d/b+4 or FC,d+4 L 7 12 -13? RC -2? RC -2? RC
FC,d/f+4 L 10 12 -15 RC -4 RC -4 RC

While Standing

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
WS+1 m 12 11 -3 +7 +7
WS+2 m 15 15 -7 +4 +4
WS+3 M 25 10~11 -19 -8 -8
WS+4 m 16 11 -6 +6 +6

Jumping

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
u/b+1 or u+1 or u/f+1 m 12 18 -8 +3 +3
u+2 M 18 42 -23 -12 -12
u/b+2 or u/f+2 M 15 35~38 Lei PLD Lei PLD Lei PLD
u/b+3 or u/f+3 m 21 16 -2 CRA +11 CRA JG CRA
u+3 m 25 16 -2 CRA +11 CRA JG CRA
u/b+4 m 11 15 -19 -8 KND
u+4 m 15 15 -12 KND JG
u/f+4 m 13 15 -12 JG JG

Sidestep

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
SS+1 h 21 16(25~) -5 +6 +6
SS+2 m 12 18(27~) -7 -9 KND
SS+3 h 28 14(15~) -14 -4 -2
SS+4 m 16 21(30~) -7 JG JG

Special Skills

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
1 h 5 8 +1 +7 +7
1,1 hh 5,5 -8 +3 +3
1,1~F hh 5,5 -30 SNA -16 SNA -16 SNA
1,2 hh 5,12 -1 +6 +6
3 h 28 14 -14 -4 -2
b+3 h 25 14 -14 -4 -2
f+3 h 30 14 -14 -4 -2
3,3 hL 28,17 -19 BT KND BT KND BT
b+3,3 hL 25,17 -19 BT KND BT KND BT
f+3,3 hL 30,17 -19 BT KND BT KND BT
3~4 m 25 37(38~) +14 BT +? OC BT +? OC BT
3~4~u mm 25,21 +15 BT +? OC BT +? OC BT
3~4~U mmm 25,21,17 +15 BT +? OC BT +? OC BT
3~4~d m 25 37(38~) Lei KND +? OC Lei KND +? OC Lei KND
3~4~u~d mm 25,21 Lei KND +? OC Lei KND +? OC Lei KND
3~4~U~d mmm 25,21,17 Lei KND +? OC Lei KND +? OC Lei KND
4~3 m 25 29(30~) Lei FCD KND KND
4~4 L 7 16(17~) Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
4~4,3 LL 7,7 Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
4~4,3,3 LLm 7,7,24 Lei FCD JG Lei KND JG Lei KND
FC+4~4 L 7 16(17~) Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
FC+4~4,3 LL 7,7 Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
FC+4~4,3,3 LLm 7,7,20 Lei FCD JG Lei FCD JG Lei FCD
1+2 h 18 14 -5 BT +4 BT JG BT
1+2,1 hh 18,18 -5 BT +6 BT +6 BT
1+2,2 hm 18,24 -11 JG JG
f+4 h 30 24(25~) -17 KND FS
f+4,2 hm 30,12 ±0 ±0 ±0
f+4,2,1 hmm 30,12,12 -16 -5 -5
f+4,2,1,2 hmmm 30,12,12,8 -12 -1 -12
f+4,2,1,2,4 hmmmm 30,12,12, 8,12 -5 KND KND
f+4,2,1,2,3 hmmml 30,12,12, 8,12 -17 -3 KND
f+4,2,1,2, 4~SS hmmmm 30,12,12, 8,12 24(25~) -11 CRA KND CRA KND CRA
f+1+2 hh 13,10 16 +5 +1 +10
f+1+2~F hh 13,10 16 ±0 CRA +5 CRA +5 CRA
f+1+2~SS hh 13,10 16 -5 PAN -1 PAN -1 PAN
d/f+1+2 m 21 17 -3 OC RC -4 OC RC +9 OC RC
d/f+1+2~F m 21 17 +2 OC TGR +1 OC TGR +14 OC TGR
d+4 l 10 12 -11 -12 ±0
d+4~d l 10 12 -10 SNA -11 SNA +1 SNA
d/b+4 (clean) L 10 20 -25 JG JG
d/b+4 L 7 20 -25 -4 -4
d/b+4,4 Lh 10,21 -21~-22 KND KND
d/b+4 (clean)~SS L 10 20 -25 JG SNA JG SNA
d/b+4~SS L 7 20 -25 +8 SNA +8 SNA
d/b+1+2 m 26 28 -13 KND KND
b+4 m 18 15 -18 KND KND
b+4~F m 18 15 -25 CRA KND CRA KND CRA
b+1+2 m 25 25~32 -8~-1 +5~+12 KND
u/b+3 m 17 16 -2 CRA +11 CRA KND CRA
u+3 m 21 16 -2 CRA +11 CRA JG CRA
u/f+3 m 25 16 -2 CRA +11 CRA JG CRA
u/b+2 or u/f+2 M 15 35~38 Lei PLD Lei PLD Lei PLD
u/f+3+4 mm 10,16 33 -1 BT KND BT KND BT
u/f+3+4,4 mmm 10,16,12 -5 KND KND
f,n+3 h 35 15(17~) -1 KND KND
f,n+3,4 hm 35,20 +4 STUN STUN
f,n+3,d+4 hL 35,10 -11 KND KND
f,n+2 h 10 12(14~) +2 +7 +7
(f,n+2),1 hm 0,12 ±0 +2 +2
(f,n+2,1),2 hmm 0,0,25 -17 JG JG
(f,n+2,1,2),1 hmmm 0,0,0,30 +9 BT KND KND
f,n+2,1 hm 10,12 -16 -5 -5
f,n+2,1,2 hmm 10,12,8 -12 -1 -12
f,n+2,1,2,4 hmmm 10,12,8,12 -5 KND KND
f,n+2,1,2,3 hmml 10,12,8,12 -17 -3 KND
f,n+2,1,2, 4~SS hmmmm 10,12,8,12 24(25~) -11 CRA KND CRA KND CRA
f,n+1 m 9 12(14~) -2 +7 +7
f,n+1,2 mm 9,7 -12 +1 +1
f,n+1,2,1 mmm 9,7,5 -12 +1 +1
f,n+1,2,1,2 mmmm 9,7,5,3 -14 +1 -10
f,n+1,2,1,2,4 mmmmm 9,7,5,3,12 -7 KND KND
f,n+1,2,1,2,3 mmmml 9,7,5,3,12 -17 -3 KND
f,n+1~SS m 9 12(14~) -11 SNA -2 SNA -2 SNA
f,n+1,2~SS mm 9,7 -10 DRG +3 DRG +3 DRG
f,n+1,2,1~SS mmm 9,7,5 -11 PAN +2 PAN +2 PAN
f,n+1,2,1, 2~SS mmmm 9,7,5,3 -13 TGR +2 TGR -9 TGR
f,n+1,2,1,2, 4~SS mmmmm 9,7,5,3,12 -11 CRA KND CRA KND CRA
f,n+4 h 15 10(12~) -22 -11 -11
f,n+4,1 hm 15,12 -1 +5 +5
f,n+4,1,2 hmm 15,12,3 -10 +1 +1
f,n+4,1,2,3 hmmh 15,12,3,19 +2 KND KND
f,n+4,1,2,3,4 hmmhm 15,12,3, 19,20 +4 STUN STUN
f,n+4,1,2,3, d+4 hmmhL 15,12,3, 19,10 -11 KND KND
f,n+4,1,2,2 hmmm 15,12,3,10 -1 -1 -1
f,n+4,1,2, 2~F hmmm 15,12,3,10 +2 DRG +2 DRG +2 DRG
f,n+4,1,2,2,2 hmmml 15,12,3, 10,15 -17 RC -6 RC -6 RC
f,n+4,1,2, 2,2~F hmmml 15,12,3, 10,15 -18 PAN -7 PAN -7 PAN
f,n+4,1,2,2,4 hmmmL 15,12,3, 10,7 Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
f,n+4,1,2, 2,4,3 hmmmLL 15,12,3,10, 7,7 Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
f,n+4,1,2,2,4, 3,3 hmmmLLm 15,12,3,10, 7,7,24 Lei FCD JG Lei FCD JG Lei FCD
f,f+2 m 18 18(19~) -10 OC JG JG
f,f+3 m 20 16(17~) -15 JG JG
f,f+3~b m 20 16(17~) -11 BT JG BT JG BT
f,f+3,4 mh 20,22 -13 KND KND
f,f+4 h 21 16(17~) -11 -1 OS -1 OS
f,f+4,3+4 hh 21,21 -3 KND KND
f,f+3+4 m 22 (~) Lei KND KND Lei KND KND Lei KND
b,b+1 h 24 30(31~) -10 KND KND
b,b+1~F h 24 30(31~) -? DRU KND DRU KND DRU
f,f,f+3 or Running 3 m 30 22(25~) +17 KND KND
WS+2 m 15 16 -7 +1? +1?
WS+2,1 mm 15,15 -13 +? JG
FC,d/f+2 l 6 ? +? RC +? RC +? RC
FC,d/f+2,1 ll 6,5 +? BT +? BT +? BT
FC,d/f+2,1,4 llm 6,5,16 +? PHX +? PHX +? PHX
SS+1 h 21 16(25~) -5 +6 +6
SS+1~F h 21 16(25~) -7? TGR +4? TGR +4? TGR
SS+1~SS h 21 16(25~) -10? DRG +1? DRG +1? DRG
SS+2 m 12 18(27~) -7 -9 KND
SS+2~b m 12 18(27~) +1 BT -1 BT KND BT
SS+2,2 mh 12,18 +4 +5 +5
SS+2,2~F mh 12,18 -1 DRU -2 DRU -2 DRU
SS+4 m 16 21(30~) -7 JG JG
SS+3+4 m 15 34(43~) -1 BT KND BT KND BT

SS+1+4 or SS+2+3

SNA

f+2+3 or b+2+3

SNA

b+1+4

PHX

b+3+4

BT

f+3+4

DRU

f+3+4 (punch counter)

0

+6?

d+1+2

SLD

d+3+4

PLD

Art of Snake

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
1 h 13 11 -8 +3 +3
1,1 hh 13,10 -8 +3 +3
1,1,1 hhh 13,10,8 -8 +3 +3
1,1,1,1 hhhh 13,10,8,6 -8 +3 +3
1,1,1,1,1 hhhhh 13,10,8, 6,5 -8 +3 +3
1,1~F hh 13,10 -27 SNA -16 SNA -16 SNA
1,1,1~F hhh 13,10,8 -27 SNA -16 SNA -16 SNA
1,1,1,1~F hhhh 13,10,8,6 -27 SNA -16 SNA -16 SNA
1,1,1,1,1~F hhhhh 13,10,8 ,6,5 -27 SNA -16 SNA -16 SNA
2 m 15 15 -10 +1 STUN (+4)
2,2 mm 15,10 -1 -1 -1
2,2,2 mml 15,10,15 -17 RC -6 RC -6 RC
2~F m 15 15 -10 DRG +1 DRG STUN (+4) DRG
2,2~F mm 15,10 +2 DRG +2 DRG +2 DRG
2,2,2~F mml 15,10,15 -18 PAN -7 PAN -7 PAN
2,2,4 mmL 15,10,7 Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
2,2,4,3 mmLL 15,10,7,7 Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
2,2,4,3,3 mmLLm 15,10,7, 7,24 Lei FCD JG Lei FCD JG Lei FCD
3 m 30 28 Lei FCD JG Lei FCD JG Lei FCD
4 l 11 16 -5 SNA -6 SNA -6 SNA
1+2 m 25 21 -10 KND KND

Art of Dragon

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
2 m 18 17 +4 KND JG
2~F m 18 17 -3 KND JG
1+2 m 32 17 -5 OC KND KND
1+2~F m 32 17 -12 OC KND KND
3 h 28 16 -15 -5 -3
3,3 hL 28,17 -19 BT KND BT KND BT
4 h 15 10(12~) -22 -11 -11
4,1 hm 15,12 -1 +5 +5
4,1,2 hmm 15,12,3 -10 +1 +1
4,1,2,3 hmmh 15,12,3,19 +2 KND KND
4,1,2,3,4 hmmhm 15,12,3, 19,20 +4 STUN STUN
4,1,2,3,d+4 hmmhL 15,12,3, 19,10 -11 KND KND
4,1,2,2 hmmm 15,12,3,10 -1 -1 -1
4,1,2,2~F hmmm 15,12,3,10 +2 DRG +2 DRG +2 DRG
4,1,2,2,2 hmmml 15,12,3, 10,15 -17 RC -6 RC -6 RC
4,1,2,2,2~F hmmml 15,12,3, 10,15 -18 PAN -7 PAN -7 PAN
4,1,2,2,4 hmmmL 15,12,3, 10,7 Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
4,1,2,2,4,3 hmmmLL 15,12,3,10, 7,7 Lei KND Lei KND Lei KND
4,1,2,2, 4,3,3 hmmmLLm 15,12,3,10, 7,7,24 Lei FCD JG Lei FCD JG Lei FCD

d+3+4

PLD

Art of Panther

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH

~f (Low Parry)

+16?(punch) +18?(kick)

1 l 10 11 -14 RC KND RC KND RC
1~2 lh 10,28 -22 -13 -13
2 m 21 15 -10 JG JG
(2),1 hm 0,12 ±0 +2 +2
(2,1),2 hmm 0,0,25 -17 JG JG
(2,1,2),1 hmmm 0,0,0,30 +9 BT KND KND
3 L 18 15 -16 -5 -5
3~b L 18 15 -20? PHX -9? PHX -9? PHX
4 h 30 24(25~) -17 KND FS
4,2 hm 30,12 ±0 ±0 ±0
4,2,1 hmm 30,12,12 -16 -5 -5
4,2,1,2 hmmm 30,12,12,8 -12 -1 -12
4,2,1,2,4 hmmmm 30,12,12, 8,12 -5 KND KND
4,2,1,2,3 hmmml 30,12,12, 8,12 -17 -3 KND
4,2,1,2,4~SS hmmmm 30,12,12, 8,12 24(25~) -11 CRA KND CRA KND CRA

Art of Tiger

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH

~f (High/Mid Parry)

+?

1 m 22 17 +3 OC RC +3 OC RC JG RC
2 m 28 22 -4 +5 STUN
3 h 32 13~14 -28~-27 RC KND RC KND RC
3,1 hm 32,9 -2 +7 +7
3,1,2 hmm 32,9,7 -12 +1 +1
3,1,2,1 hmmm 32,32,9,7,5 -12 +1 +1
3,1,2,1,2 hmmmm 32,9,7,5,3 -14 +1 -10?
3,1,2,1,2,4 hmmmmm 32,9,7,5, 3,12 -7 KND KND
3,1,2,1,2,3 hmmmml 32,9,7,5, 3,12 -17 -3 KND
3,1~SS hm 32,9 -11 SNA -2 SNA -2 SNA
3,1,2~SS hmm 32,9,7 -10 DRG +3 DRG +3 DRG
3,1,2,1~SS hmmm 32,9,7,5 -11 PAN +2 PAN +2 PAN
3,1,2,1,2~SS hmmmm 32,9,7,5,3 -13 TGR +2 TGR -9 TGR
3,1,2,1,2,4~SS hmmmmm 32,9,7,5, 3,12 -11 CRA KND CRA KND CRA
3,4 hm 32,20 +4 STUN STUN
3,d+4 hL 32,10 -11 KND KND
4 L 12 15 -30 JG RC JG RC

Art of Crane

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
1 m 32 22 +9 BT KND KND
2 h 30 17 -12 BT +12 OB BT +12 OB BT
3 m 21 14 -5 +6 +6
3,4 Ml 21,10 -12 -1 -1
3,4,2 Mlm 21,10,10 -15 -5 -5
3,4,2,3 MlmM 21,10,10,15 -12 JG JG
4 L 20 21 -19 SLD SLD
u/b+4 or u+4 or u/f+4 m 25 18 -13 CRA JG CRA JG CRA

Drunken Master

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
1 m 25 18 -11 KND KND
2 m 12 18 -7 -9 KND
2~b m 12 18 +1 BT -1 BT KND BT
2,2 mm 12,18 4 +5 +5
2,2~F mh 12,18 -1 DRU -2 DRU -2 DRU
3 L 13 17 -12 +1 +1
3~F L 13 17 -22 DRU -9 DRU -9 DRU
3,2 L,m 13,12 -1 -3 KND
4 m 17 18 -12 JG JG
4~F m 17 18 -18 DRU JG DRU JG DRU
3+4 L 22 29~30 Lei FCD SLD Lei FCD SLD Lei FCD

Phoenix Illusion

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
1 h 24 30(80) -10 KND KND
2 m 18 18(68) -10 OC JG JG
3 h 28 14(64) -14 -4 -2
3,3 hL 28,17 -19 BT KND BT KND BT
4 L 16 15(65) -23? +1? OC RC JG RC
f+4 M 90 65(115) KND KND KND
b+3 m 15 14(64) -8 KND FS
b+3,3 mm 15,15 -8 KND FS
b+3,3,3 mmm 15,15,15 -8 KND FS
b+3,3,3,3 mmmm 15,15,15,15 -8 KND FS
b+4 m 30 37(87) +9 BT KND BT KND BT
b+4~u mm 30,21 +? BT +? OC BT +? OC BT
b+4~U mmm 30,21,17 +? BT +? OC BT +? OC BT
b+4~d m 30 Lei KND KND KND
b+4~u~d mm 30,21 Lei KND +? OC Lei KND +? OC Lei KND
b+4~U~d mmm 30,21,17 Lei KND +? OC Lei KND +? OC Lei KND

SS+2+3

SNA

Backturned Position

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
1 h 12 10 -6 BT +5 BT +5 BT
d+1 l 8 12 -8 BT JG BT JG BT
2 m 20 19 -16 JG JG
4 m 18 14 -14 -3 -3
d+4 (clean) L 10 20 -25 RC JG RC JG RC
d+4 L 10 20 -25 RC +2 RC +2 RC
d+4,4 Lh 10,35 -21~-22 KND KND
d+4 (clean)~SS L 10 20 -25 JG SNA JG SNA
d+4~SS L 10 20 -25 +8 SNA JG SNA
u/b+2 or u/f+2 M 15 33~35 Lei PLD Lei PLD Lei PLD
3+4 M 15 32 -4 BT KND BT KND BT
3+4,3+4 MM 15,15 -10 BT KND BT KND BT
3+4,3+4,3+4 MMM 15,15,15 -10 BT KND BT KND BT

Grounded Positions

INPUT RANGE DMG SPEED BLOCK HIT CH
SLD 4~3 L 15 24(25~) Lei KND KND Lei PLD KND Lei PLD
FCD 4~3 m 18 23(24~) Lei FCD KND Lei FCD KND Lei FCD
FCD 3~4 (clean) L 15 24 -25 JG Lei PLD JG Lei PLD
FCD 3~4 L 10 24 -25 Lei PLD Lei PLD
FCD 3~4,4 Lh 10,17 -21~-22 KND KND
SLD 3+4 mm 5,21 18 Lei KND KND Lei KND KND Lei KND
FCD 3+4 mm 5,21 18 Lei PLD KND Lei PLD KND Lei PLD
PLD 3+4 L 21 23 -12 JG JG
PLD 3 (clean) L 10 20 -25 JG RC JG RC
PLD 3 L 7 20 -25 +2 RC +2 RC
PLD 3,4 Lh 7,21 -21~-22 KND KND
KND 3+4 m 30 35 +5 KND KND

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10 Responses to Lei Frame Data

  1. Locolei says:

    Could someone update this list with the stats for tgr F counter Frames +?

    And also F3+4 counter against punches Frames +?

    Otherwise, thanks for doing a cracking job!!

  2. n8nmonster says:

    updated, added:

    ss+1+4, ss+2+3
    f+2+3, b+2+3
    b+1+4
    b+3+4
    f+3+4
    f+3+4 (punch parry), inatekken lists as “+6?”
    d+1+2
    d+3+4
    drg d+3+4
    pan ~f (low parry)
    tgr ~f (high/mid parry), listed as “+?”
    phx ss+2+3

  3. Locolei says:

    Please update with PLD U,n 3, (22 Damage on clean hit) making this one of the best sweeps in the game, sweep, df1, 2, fn2, ff3,4 does 61 Damage!! And the sweep looks like PLD 3+4 since he gets up first, a sneaky Lei Move indeed.

    Cheers

    Locolei

  4. Fhwoarang says:

    I believe f,N+3,4, on block, is no longer +4, maybe it’s +1 or 0, but no more +4.

  5. Fhwoarang says:

    Locolei: PLD U,n,3 is an universal kick, everybody has it.

  6. Fhwoarang says:

    They also should update to BT 3+4~f, which is -12 on block, leaving Lei on normal position, instead BT.

  7. Locolei says:

    About PLD U n 3, yeah everyone has it but I have only seen Lei be able to get the 22 damage and juggle opportunity, have your tried the combo I am on about mate?

    Cheers

    Locolei

  8. MaJoR-9 says:

    ff+2 is noted as “high” in the upper list (Dashing)

  9. Luper says:

    I dont see f+3, 1 wierd

  10. Luper says:

    after usin this to study lei for an hour or 2 i realized how horribly out dated it is lol >.<;; i can't trust any of it as is. anyone know where i can find lei's BR frame data in english? would be greatly appreciated (by anyone else lookin for them too).

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